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Re: Book Review: The Grace of God by Andy Stanley

Daniel Rose — Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:36:09 -0000

Maybe. :-)

Re: Book Review: The Grace of God by Andy Stanley

Sue — Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:46:33 -0000

Stanley's books are very often his sermon-series notes, Dan. so maybe the reason that you recognize the middle section is b/c he used some material from the other authors/theologians you mention during his series. maybe. :)

Re: One Story, One People, One Mission

Daniel Rose — Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:18:15 -0000

Thank goodness the Edge is basically sound proof.

Re: One Story, One People, One Mission

Todd Waller — Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:16:08 -0000

On the topic of U2, One is a spectacular song. Magnificent, another of there songs, but much more recent, has me belting out the lyrics (badly, I might add) every time I hear it.

Re: Review: Radical Together by David Platt

Daniel Rose — Thu, 08 Sep 2011 15:21:57 -0000

Thanks Andy. I will edit that.

Re: Review: Radical Together by David Platt

Andy Brandt — Thu, 08 Sep 2011 14:43:44 -0000

Thanks, I'm considering this book for my church small group. Also, i think you might be missing the word "not" before "simply fire insurance"

Re: Review: Radical Together by David Platt

Daniel Rose — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 10:38:47 -0000

Brian, Radical is a pretty good little book. I think it appropriately challenges the American consumerism so rampant within the church today. I also don't have issue with "Lordship" salvation. It seems to be the clear teaching of the Scriptures.

I agree that it may come to more prominence given our current theological climate.

Re: Review: Radical Together by David Platt

Brian Webb — Wed, 07 Sep 2011 09:13:32 -0000

Just began to read Radical. I find that he borders on the Lordship Salvation issue, which, by the way, I do not take issue with. I really believe that many pastor/authors are going to be addressing these issues because of the temperature of the culture and the church. Looking forward to finishing this one and moving on to the next one.

Re: Easter, B-O-R-I-N-G

Daniel Rose — Tue, 31 May 2011 09:24:28 -0000

Thanks for your comment. I appreciate that you have taken the time to respond.

Re: Easter, B-O-R-I-N-G

AfriendinJesus — Mon, 30 May 2011 10:56:49 -0000

I attend that church, but no chruch is more important than Jesus. I am sure the pastor is like everyone else, ad at times we fail Christ. The truth is most people that attend church on Easter and Christmas go only to look good. A true christian has a personal relationship with Jesus, and I hope that the mega church pastor would reflect on Jesus only. We all have ego since I have lost everything all hope I have is in Jesus!

Re: Justice? Are you sure?

Daniel Rose — Wed, 04 May 2011 08:31:17 -0000

Thanks! Justice and grace go hand in hand. If we realize that we deserve justice, then grace becomes all the more sweeter.

Re: Easter, B-O-R-I-N-G

Daniel Rose — Wed, 04 May 2011 08:30:25 -0000

Rant, rant, rant! This is why you need a blog Glenn. Thanks for the kind words.

Re: Easter, B-O-R-I-N-G

Glenn Trevisan — Wed, 04 May 2011 08:01:54 -0000

Shout it out, brother! I'm pretty sure God doesn't think Easter is boring. He couldn't wait to rescue his son from that musty old tomb. Let's face it, this kind of message and approach assumes that the audience of worship services is us whereas the focus should be on God. Just saying that Easter is boring proves the point. Boring to who? Is Easter some kind of performance? This is (another!) hot button of mine so I'll not rant further.

Re: Justice? Are you sure?

Shackneyjths — Tue, 03 May 2011 19:12:59 -0000

Well said rose. It"s difficult to see a culture void of a sound understanding of justice. And I think your analysis is spot on; without an understanding of justice it is hard for one to understand grace.

Re: Justice? Are you sure?

Daniel Rose — Tue, 03 May 2011 13:20:59 -0000

I hear ya bro.

Re: Justice? Are you sure?

Glenn Trevisan — Tue, 03 May 2011 13:00:54 -0000

Well said. The celebratory stuff has me a little disturbed. As bad as he seems, he's no worse than any of us from God's perspective. The only separation between the haves and the have nots is Jesus Christ. Indications are he died on the "have not" side which is indeed very sad.

Re: Before the beginning…

Daniel Rose — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:45:59 -0000

Indeed! He truly is the center.

Re: Before the beginning…

Dan Moyle — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 11:11:29 -0000

It's amazing that "light" and "word" and "truth" are talked about all over scripture, and relate directly to Jesus. Thanks for the thought-provoking post Daniel!

Re: Where’s the ‘Real’?

Robin — Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:51:33 -0000

We need to find God, and he cannot be found in noise and restlessness. God is the friend of silence. See how nature - trees, flowers, grass- grows in silence; see the stars, the moon and the sun, how they move in silence... We need silence to be able to touch souls. -Mother Teresa

Re: The Lion King: A Wolf

Daniel Rose — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 19:07:07 -0000

I appreciate your insight. I humbly disagree that Hinduism in the Lion King is a stretch. I can see where you come from with the monarchy. The post is not solely based on the issues of the caste system. However, while Rafiki, the Gopher, and Zazu are advisors they are servants. I do think reincarnation is present and is inherent in the concept of "the circle of life". I would also say that pantheism is also present. It is also clear that there is a desire to escape from samsara.

To argue that it is Christian is difficult to argue for.

The point of the post is that the Lion King presents a worldview significantly different from the Christian and more closely resembles that of Hinduism or a New Age philosophy. This is a post in the middle of a series of discussions on worldview. There is an assumption by many Christians that if a movie is G then it is "safe". I would argue that many of the worldview issues presented by Lion King fall short of a Christian perspective. However, we can disagree, and that's OK. Thanks again for engaging.

Re: The Lion King: A Wolf

Kataanger — Tue, 05 Apr 2011 16:38:55 -0000

I think you are overplaying the hinduism in the Lion King. In fact, I think that saying there is any of it in this movie is a huge stretch. The social structure was clearly and blatantly a monarchy. There was social mobility. Look at the fact that rafiki, the gopher, and zazu all clearly were the Kings advisors, yet they weren't lion's. I see a class system almost similar to Monarchial Europe, but nothing that even remotely resembles hinduism. No reincarnation, No God, none of that. So if your only argument that is resembles hinduism is based on lack of social mobility then I don't think you fully understand hinduism or the caste system because lots of nations/states/cultures lacked social mobility and they were christian.

Re: Observations on the Conversation

Daniel Rose — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:45:00 -0000

I could not agree more! That makes so much sense. I think that when believers gather in a real and authentic way that we can achieve this. Sadly, too often we only gather with the like minded. That's why I think Dan's suggestion of a theology barcamp would be great!.

On another note, I just got my copy of "Love Wins". I would love to schedule some regular time to discuss it...

Re: Observations on the Conversation

Daniel Jones — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:09:26 -0000

*I prefer to call it Punk Rock Mentality...

Truly, no it's not idividualism I'm advocating.

There is NO substitute for community I love how community gains faith and understanding in the scriptures:

Exodus 19:7 So Moses went back and summoned the elders of the people and set before them all the words the LORD had commanded him to speak. 8 The people all responded together, “We will do everything the LORD has said.” So Moses brought their answer back to the LORD.

Acts 2:1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.

It's groupthink that I'm suggesting we avoid.

There needs to be some honest, thoughtful, respectful and critical discussion about how faith is practiced. All of that, in response to God and what he's doing among his people!

*This, totally carelessly crafted and random blog comment has been brought to you by one of those offenders.

Re: Observations on the Conversation

Daniel Rose — Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:08:18 -0000

Daniel, it's great to have you on board! I love the idea of a barcamp for theology. We do a youth version of this at Biggby Coffee in Northville, MI. I would love to hear more about how the barcamps work and maybe between you, me, and the Todd we can figure out how make this happen.

Re: Observations on the Conversation

Daniel Rothamel — Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:09:12 -0000

Hi Pastor. My name is Daniel. You don't know me, but Todd Waller told me to check out your blog, so here I am. :-)

I know the debate of which you speak, and I agree with you. I was actually having a conversation on twitter about a similar issue, and it occurred to me that one thing that might benefit the faithful is the "barcamp" model. This kind of "un-conference" originated in the tech industry, but we have had a lot of success with it in the real estate industry, as well. Just ask Todd.

I have been thinking that this is the exact type of thing that churches could benefit from. Believers coming together in a rather informal, comfortable gathering to discuss whatever issues are on their mind. Theology discussions are tough, but with enough people from the community of the faithful involved, I know that real progress could be made for a lot of people. It is something that I'm going to think a lot more about, and I'm going to figure out a way to make one happen. I think it could be both amazingly fun and incredibly rewarding.